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Zoic Studios expands!
Posted by Leslie Morgan in I Design Your Eyes on December 13, 2010
It’s an exciting time for Zoic Studios. In January 2006 Zoic Studios opened offices in Vancouver, Canada. Now almost five years later the studio has just expanded to a bigger, brighter loft space in the historic Gastown district.
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On set!
Posted by Leslie Morgan in I Design Your Eyes on August 25, 2010
A few weeks ago I had the pleasure of being on set at Quixote Studios located just off the 5N here in southern California.
Zoic partnered with Maneater Productions and worked with Goodby Silverstein to produce a killer Yahoo! banner spot.
It was a really fun, high flying day on set. Chris Jones, one of the executive creative directors and co-founder of Zoic Studios directed the spot. The crew and talent really came together to make something that all of you can enjoy.
For now go over to mtv.com to check out the banner ad.
I, along with the team at Maneater, got some great behind the scenes footage that I will be posting it soon. You will really get to see what it takes to make something from soup to nuts. I can’t wait to share with the community, but in the meantime I can show you a quick sample of what the day was like. Enjoy the pictures and don’t forget for up to the minute information follow I Design Your Eyes on both twitter and facebook!
Zoic Races Past ‘Dominoes’ Success with ESPN NASCAR ‘Variables’
Posted by Erik Even in I Design Your Eyes on May 14, 2010
In February, Zoic’s “Dominoes” spot for the NASCAR Nationwide Series broke new ground in computer graphics for television. (Read the story here.) Now the Culver City, California-based studio has produced the second spot in the series, which retains the visual style of “Dominoes” but is quite different in story and tone.
The new spot, entitled “Variables,” is the story of the things the drivers and pit crew can’t plan for during a race, according to Zoic executive creative director Loni Peristere, “and how those variables affect the outcome of the race – who’s going to win, who’s going to lose.”
Watch “Variables” on ZoicStudios.com
The origins of “Variables” go back to the beginnings of the campaign. “The Nationwide campaign is a series of commercials that were originally pitched and presented by [New York-based advertising agency] Wieden+Kennedy,” Peristere says, “that we at Zoic partnered on for the duration of the campaign. We started in the earlier part of November last year, with [Wieden+Kennedy producer] Dan Blaney, [art director] Cyrus Coulter, [writer] Luke Evans, and Heather Larimer, under the auspices of Stuart Jennings, our creative director from ESPN.”
“The good thing about Wieden+Kennedy is that the producer is looked at as a ‘third creative,’” says Blaney. “I have that point of view throughout the process. That’s important to me.”
“We worked with the Wieden+Kennedy team to come up with the look, tone and feel for not only the commercials but for the entire campaign,” Peristere says. “If you see the Nationwide footage on ESPN right now, you’ll see our style, the stark black & white with blue highlights, used throughout the promotional material in the campaign. We worked originally with [Zoic creative director] Derich Wittliff and Darrin Isono to create keyframes that became the foundation of the look, feel and tone of the entire campaign.”
Footage of the racers for both spots was shot on location in Florida at the close of last year’s Nationwide Series. “We picked up the actors the day after their very last race of the season,” Peristere says. “And Kyle Busch, the star of ‘Variables,’ had just won the championship. We got to play with him a little bit, and his cohorts, on the shoot day, which was really fun because they were coming off of a long night of revelry.
“A big part of the realism for the drivers’ performances was rooted in my direction on set, where we were walking these guys through the variations of their performances. We had them run through directions like, what do you say to your driver? How do you feel when someone is spinning out right in front of you? When your car is not functioning? How do you react? We went through a series of facial expressions, both passive and active in performance, to capture the fixes that we needed for the spot.
“Both Wieden+Kennedy, and Stuart and his entire team at ESPN, were incredibly gracious with their trust. When we got into Editorial, it allowed [Zoic senior editor] Dmitri Gueer and I to choose the facial expressions we felt would convey the story to the utmost.”
Gueer adds that when it came to choosing the drivers’ performances, “they had to be identical to what the drivers would do on a real racetrack. But the big challenge was that you could take a greenscreen of the driver’s performance, cut it into the offline and go: “This is going to work great!” Then look at it in the dailies after it’s gone through CG and all of a sudden realize that it no longer works because it is a mapped image that lives in its own environment.
“I really wanted drivers’ performances to work because it is always about never stopping to want something perfect,” Gueer continues, “so I think I drove our CG guys absolutely bonkers because I kept feeding them non-stop new drivers’ takes to run a test on. In the end I was extremely pleased with how the drivers’ shots worked out. Our CG artists did an amazing job!
I am pretty positive that any NASCAR fan could take a look at the spot now and say ‘that’s totally real, I’m right there with that driver.’”
Peristere points out the differences between the spots. “’Dominoes’ is about an event, this giant crash, and having the wherewithal within the context of a giant 40-car pileup to know how to navigate that destruction.
“‘Variables’ is really about the race; it’s about the nuances of the drivers themselves, and how they react to variables on the track they cannot foresee; and it’s these kinds of qualities that make them great drivers. ‘Variables’ takes place from the white flag to the chequered flag. It’s one lap that we’re examining in great detail.”
“I think the two spots are totally different,” says writer Evans. “‘Dominoes’ has that epic crash in bullet time, everything fades out, and comes back full speed at the end; you have that lull in the middle, that moment where you have to get you bearings. Whereas in ‘Variables’ it’s a storyline from beginning to end. Right away you have to be along for the ride, and follow these details that are happening to get the story.”
Peristere laughs that “Dmitri, our crazy editor, had a lot to construct here; because the storytelling in a 30-second spot, especially in the context of a race, is really hard to track — especially here where it’s not just one event, it’s an entire lap, and you have multiple events. There was a lot of pack in, and Dmitri did a phenomenal job.”
Gueer adds: “From an Editorial standpoint, this particular spot was not easy because you have three drivers, three storylines, and a race that is going on in the background – and everyone wants to win! It’s a lot of story for 27 seconds to tell.
“This spot took a long time to edit and put together because we had to figure out how to tell a credible story, true to the whole NASCAR experience. You start in your mind by shaping the story based on what shots you would use to highlight certain points in the timeline. On top of that you have to have shots that establish the drivers and their identities by what they do on the racetrack, and how they drive or what strategy they use. Plus you have the overall story of everyone else trying to catch up to those drivers and avoid the big tire blow-up. How are you going to do that in such a short period of time, from a storytelling and from an artistic standpoint?
“Working out the timing takes a long time, so does maintaining pacing while telling the story of the three drivers. It was a pretty difficult task. Just like anything else the story has its own arcs, its highs and lows, and all of it had to flow from one cut to another.”
Gueer says that “Variables” was a very “Editorial-driven” spot. “The editor goes to the dailies and makes suggestions and has some creative notes, which is nothing unusual; but I would say that ‘Variables’ consumed me entirely, because everything in this spot is working on a cut-to-cut basis, and certain story points had to be hit for the spot to work, even the placement of the cars and where they are at a particular point in the story. But with great creative direction from Loni, our VFX and CG leads, and our great clients at Wieden+Kennedy, we were able accomplish a spot that I believe we can all be proud of!”
In the wake of the collaboration between Zoic and Wieden+Kennedy on “Dominoes,” a great deal of trust developed between the two teams. “Walking them through the process and working with [Wieden+Kennedy] on the first go-round,” Peristere says, “we set up the parameters and the workflow by which they would understand the second go-round. Honestly it was a very quiet second round of work, where they were partners with us, but not too invasive because they had experienced the process the first time.”
“There was so much work on ‘Dominoes,’” art director Coulter explains, “dialing in everything, the look and feel of it, how the animation plays out; so with ‘Variables’ it was nice, we were able to plug that stuff in and just let the story play out. With ‘Dominoes’ we were down there at Zoic working tirelessly to make everything come together – but with ‘Variables’ we just plugged everything in and it was great.”
Zoic commercial executive producer Erik Press says “the trust continued to grow with Wieden. I think ultimately everybody walked away very happy with the results of some really intense work and some big creative challenges on the CG end. We had a great working relationship with Wieden once again on this. I’m happy that they looked to us to find some creative solutions. We can’t wait to do more work with them.”
“We would all like there to be more,” Peristere says, “ if not on this campaign, certainly with the creative team we work with at Wieden. It was an incredible experience to work with them.”
Blaney says, “We put ‘Dominoes’ on such a pedestal, that our first reaction of ‘Variables’ was positive, but it took us a while to feel really excited about it. But for me, now looking at the finished ‘Variables,’ I can honestly say it may be my preferred spot out of the campaign.
“The client completely loved the it. They were blown away by ‘Dominoes’ — I don’t think anyone expected the end result to be that impressive. They took a leap of faith, especially trying an animation style that’s definitely innovative and new. They put a lot of trust into Loni. It was a very successful campaign for everyone involved.”
“The Nationwide Series is kind of like the ‘minor leagues’ of NASCAR,” Coulter says. “They’re putting a ton of money and effort into their Sprint Cup coverage, and for the Nationwide series there’s just not as big an expectation. So I think it’s really nice we had a come-from-behind win on this, making ‘Dominoes’ and ‘Variables’ so awesome.
Zoic thanks: Michael Cliett, Brian White, Kevin Struckman, Chris Irving, Steve Meyer, Nate Overstrom, Chris Desantis, Chris Jones.
More info: “Zoic Brings Photo-real CG to Broadcast TV with ESPN NASCAR ‘Dominoes’” on IDYE; “Variables” and “Dominoes” on ZoicStudios.com.
Perfect “Harmony”: Zoic Creates VFX for Daytona 500 Coca-Cola NASCAR Spot
Posted by Erik Even in I Design Your Eyes on February 17, 2010

Eleven top NASCAR drivers are having a bad day, grumbling into their car radio mics. But once in the crew pit, each driver is offered a cold, refreshing bottle of Coca-Cola. Back on the track, the drivers are so exhilarated they begin singing “I’d Like to Buy the World a Coke,” as bewildered fans listen in over headphones.
The 60-second commercial, which also has two 30-second versions, premiered this last Sunday, Valentine’s Day, during the broadcast of the Daytona 500 on ESPN. It hearkens back to the 1971 commercial “Hilltop,” probably the most famous Coke commercial in history, which introduced the song. The new spot, entitled “Harmony,” features NASCAR drivers Greg Biffle, Clint Bowyer, Jeff Burton, Denny Hamlin, Kevin Harvick, Bobby Labonte, Joey Logano, Ryan Newman, David Ragan, Elliott Sadler and Tony Stewart.
See the “Harmony” spot here, at the end of a feature about the making of the commercial; the spot begins at 4:10.
The commercial does not appear to be effects-heavy, but appearances can be deceiving. It was assembled from a number of separate elements, including CG cars and digitally-altered stock footage. The VFX were created by Culver City, California’s Zoic Studios, which produces effects for commercials, feature films and episodic television, such as ABC’s V, FOX’s Fringe and CBS’ CSI: Crime Scene Investigation.
“The agency went to the NASCAR archives and pulled stock footage,” says Zoic executive producer, commercials Erik Press, “and they cut together what they envisioned as a race.
“Then they filled it in with close-ups of the actual drivers, which were shot on the racetrack in Charlotte, North Carolina. Those were inserted in the edit. [Commercial creative director] Les Ekker shot back plates for footage outside of the vehicles. Our task was to take stock footage, interiors of drivers, and plates of driving shots, and mix them all together and make them appear as one entire race.”

“Mostly the work consisted of taking their ‘hero’ celebrity drivers, and generating driving plates,” explains Neil Ingram, a Zoic producer.
“They wanted us to make these moments inside of the car to feel like ‘found’ footage, like you’re tapping into the live feed while they’re driving. Part of a NASCAR race is that you can rent headphones, and listen to the realtime exchanges of the drivers and the crews. The spectators that we cut away to are listening to the radios, and they’re bewildered by the fact that these drivers are all singing together.
“First we had to make the interior driving spots look realistic. Then we had to work on a degradation look, to make the shots match the practical realtime images that are actually from the cars; there are some of those shots in the spot.
“We had some CG augmentation on shots, and then ran it through compression. The cameras they use in the cars are ICONIX — they shoot back realtime images to a broadcast tower. They’re true HD cameras, but they get compressed with MPEG-2 compression. So we did some experimentation with different levels of MPEG and JPEG damage, to match the look. But these are celebrity drivers and these are product shots, so we had to find a balance between not getting too much degradation, but making them still feel ‘found.’”
“It was a fun job,” says Zoic co-founder Chris Jones, who was creative director for the VFX. “It has all the good elements for a visual effects spot: full-CG cars; full-CG dynamics; full-CG tracks; a lot of clean-up and footage matching; a lot of greenscreen; live-action plates; stock footage integration – it runs the whole range of VFX. It came together well – it’s a really satisfying piece. I’m pleased with it.”
Press says the production was a very positive experience for everyone involved. “It is really sort of an iconic Coca-Cola spot, with ‘I’d Like to Buy the World a Coke.’ They haven’t brought that theme back for some time.
“It was a really smooth production, it went really well. The agency was very happy. It was smooth for them as well — we were always right behind them, providing for them. A really positive experience.”
The spot was directed by Mike Long for Epoch Films; and edited by Matthew Hilbert of Joint Editorial House, Portland.

More info: “Coca-Cola Harmony – Behind The Scenes With The New Ad” on the Coca-Cola Conversations blog; Coca-Cola “Harmony” on Youtube; Coca-Cola “Hilltop” on Youtube.
Zoic Brings Photo-real CG to Broadcast TV with ESPN NASCAR “Dominoes”
Posted by Erik Even in I Design Your Eyes on February 2, 2010

To the opening riffs of Metallica’s “Master of Puppets,” two NASCAR drivers jostle for position at the front of the pack. One cuts off the other by the wall, and the rear car speeds up, smashing into the front car. As the front car drifts from the wall, the rear car makes its move, attempting an aggressive pass on the right. But it’s no good – he sideswipes the front car and spins out. He’s slammed by another car and flips high into the air, triggering a massive pile-up. And straight through the smoke and chaos of the pileup – a third driver makes his move and takes the lead. “It’s anybody’s race.”
The 30-second spot for ESPN (see it here), promoting the NASCAR Nationwide series, was created by advertising agency Wieden+Kennedy New York and Culver City, California’s Zoic Studios. The commercial is significant because, despite its unique and stylized black-and-white look, it appears to have been shot in live action. In fact, it’s entirely CG.
Zoic co-founder Loni Peristere, who directed the spot, talks about why the commercial was created digitally, and how Zoic was able to create the illusion of perfect realism.
“The question from Wieden+Kennedy was, ‘we have a project, two scripts, which take place on the track, and would require significant action and stunt work. We’re trying to decide whether we should approach this from a live-action standpoint; or should we approach this from an animation standpoint.”
Wieden+Kennedy insisted the final product be photo-realistic; the agency did not want a commercial that looked like a video game.
But Wieden+Kennedy was insistent that the final product must appear perfectly photo-realistic. Peristere says the agency did not want a commercial that looked like a video game. “It was really important to them that it had the energy, grit and testosterone of the track. They were not interested in making a spot that didn’t have the reality of NASCAR.”
The agency was well aware how far CG realism has recently progressed. “Even in the last 12 months it has come a long way,” Peristere says. “With the advent of motion pictures like Avatar or The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, we are seeing the potential for photo-real characters, photo-real environments, and photo-real action. But could we actually achieve that for a commercial, and could we afford it? What would the timeline be?
“We got boards for both spots, and it became readily apparent why they were even asking this question – they had a 40-car pileup in the middle of the first spot, and a pretty significant crash in the second. Now when you looked at the second spot, you thought ‘well, from a production standpoint you could probably pull that off’; in fact we’d done something similar for Budweiser the year before. But the 40-car pileup featured just an enormous amount of damage to an enormous number of vehicles, which from a production standpoint would be very expensive.
“And the ability to control the lighting and the camera and the art direction would be limited in a live action production. You would be fighting against the sun, making you rush through the shots, allowing you limited control over your color palette. And you would have the expense of wrecking an enormous number of vehicles.”
Peristere discussed the project with other principals at Zoic – fellow co-founder Chris Jones, commercial creative director Leslie Ekker, commercial executive producer Erik Press, and CG supervisor Andy Wilkoff. “We thought it would be fun to rise to the challenge,” Peristere says. “We knew the team we had been building over the last several years had the potential to do incredible photo-realistic work. We’d seen large leaps in the realm of photo-real characters. We came back to Wieden+Kennedy and said ‘yes, yes we can.’”

Deciding to do the spot in CG led to the first question – should the drivers’ faces be represented in the spot? Human characters are the most difficult thing to create realistically in CG. “From a directorial standpoint,” Peristere says, “I felt it was absolutely essential to see the drivers, to understand who they were, and to know what their motivations were so we had a personal connection to the race. I had the ever-present voice of [Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Firefly series creator] Joss Whedon in my head, who says ‘it’s all about the story; it’s all about the people.’
“We enlisted the help of some incredibly talented artists, including Brad Hayes, Brian White, and Michael Cliett.” Hayes and White had worked at Digital Domain on Benjamin Button and more recently on Tron Legacy, and had been a part of the development of a character-based VFX pipeline.
The technique used for “Dominoes” involved projecting the actual NASCAR drivers’ faces onto CG characters, allowing Peristere complete control over movement and lighting while still getting full, photo-realistic facial performances.
“Andy [Wilkoff] and I went to the very last race at Daytona, and after race day we met with the eight stars of our two commercials. We ran them though some technical setups, which involved a three-camera shoot against a greenscreen. I directed them through a series of emotions and actions that related to the story we were telling. We then took those performances back to Zoic, made editorial selects based on those performances, and gave them to Brad and Andy and the smart people to make something cool with.”
Reference photos were used to recreate the track; and the sky was provided by Michael Curran, who produced a series of sky photos for use in video games.
Dmitri Gueer, founder and senior editor of Zoic Editorial, was involved in the “Dominoes” spot from the pre-viz stage through the final product. He describes the editorial process as “non-stop,” and uses the facial performances as an example of Editorial’s involvement at each step.
“The pre-viz had the drivers, but we didn’t see their faces,” Gueer explains. “So the drivers were just a placeholder in the cut. When we later got the driver plates, we started picking the selects and placing them in the cut. Since the pre-viz already existed, you needed to find takes that worked for the placeholders.
“When you have the drivers’ faces mapped in the shots, it becomes apparent when we need to give them a little bit more time, or take a little time from them, because something’s not working out; and once you have a set of almost-final shots, the edit takes on a different spin. You need to pick the sweetest spots in the shots; you need to reestablish the pacing; you need to make sure there’s continuity from shot to shot; and that the edit comes together not just as a story, but also that it gels with the music and is captivating to watch.”
“We had the added complexity of a 40-car pileup,” Peristere says, “which involved extensive damage to CG vehicles, but which had to happen organically. That was hand-developed and designed by Brian White, another Digital Domain veteran with an intimate knowledge of physics and kinetics, who was able to use both animation-by-hand and procedural techniques to bring these cars into collision. You’ll see that every vehicle reacts and behaves just as a real car would as it impacts. When we have our big moment where we t-bone the hero car, you actually see it break where it should break, and that’s because Brian White made it so.”
I was looking to invoke the German Expressionist period, so I wanted these incredibly long shadows, with crushed blacks.
The spot also required an enormous smoke simulation. “Whenever these cars spin they generate tons of smoke. We worked closely with Zoic Vancouver, and a number of technical directors up in that office who specialize in smoke; they did the phenomenal nuclear explosion scene in the forthcoming movie The Crazies, for which they developed a lot of the pipeline for this — which involves Maya fluid dynamics, along with some techniques in RF4 Real Flow — so they could generate authentic smoke elements that gave the illusion and sense of a full-scale car accident on a NASCAR track.

“Kevin Struckman, Mike Rhone, and Trevor Adams all put in an incredible number of hours to make these smoke simulations incredibly spectacular, concluding with the hero car penetrating the giant smoke cloud, creating those beautiful little vortices that you see. That’s something that’s pretty tricky in a fluid simulation, and they were able to do a really nice job with that.”
In order for the spot to come together organically, there was an immense amount of compositing. “We brought in real smoke, spark, and pyro elements to underline the CG elements. Also, every single one of the 27 shots in this 30-second spot had upwards of hundreds of passes– lighting, reflections, highlights, lens flares, vignettes, grain – all of this stuff that had to be added as a secondary layer.”
The spot was rendered in full color, but the end product was always intended to be in a highly-stylized black-and-white. “That was a choice we made with Wieden+Kennedy, to create a style, a more graphic look. For me it was heading towards the films Alfred Hitchcock made in the 40s and 50s, and looking back even further to F.W. Murnau and Sunrise, and Fritz Lang and Metropolis. I was looking to invoke the German Expressionist period, so I wanted these incredibly long shadows, with crushed blacks. You’ll see a low sun – I call that the Ridley Scott sun, because Ridley Scott shoots at the magic hour all the time, and we wanted to put that in every shot. You’ll see these incredibly long film-noir shadows with bright brights, and black blacks.

“Then we wanted to include the branding of Nationwide; so we applied the Nationwide presence as a design element. We had an illustrator, Eytan Zana, who did a phenomenal job setting the tone and palette.” Zana worked with Wieden+Kennedy, and with Derich Wittliff and Darrin Isono of Zoic’s design department, applying the Nationwide Pantone color to the stickers, the cars, and the track.
Peristere says, “I think overall, this black, white and blue we put together in the compositing really lends an original look to this spot that’s unlike anything we’ve seen before.”
Zoic VFX supervisor Steve Meyer handled the final finish, color grading and color treatment. “We wanted to have sort of a Raging Bull kind of look, high contrast black-and-white. So the compositors left things a little bit more on the flat side to give range; and then I took that, got the style Loni [Peristere] was looking for, and added some of those little nuances like the road rumble, the extra shake when something flies by camera, that kind of overall stuff.
“It’s a stylized look that you could attribute to real photography. I’ve been in the business for a bit, and it blows me away when I see it. Wow, that’s frickin’ all CG? It’s a very impressive spot. I was glad to be a part of it, because I think it’s going to have some legs.”
In the end, it was up to editor Gueer to assemble the finished shots into the final product. “It was a non-stop editorial process, from the beginning when Loni was assembling the story, to the time when we had all the final shots on the Flame. One of the things Steve [Meyer] did was add camera shakes to the shots, which made them look much better; but it changes the nature of what you’re seeing, even the slightest shake. You go well, wouldn’t it be better if we cut a few frames from this, or extended it by a few frames? When we had the final shots on the Flame, we literally did editorial on the Flame, making it better and better and tighter and tighter.”
“With this giant team of 40 some-odd people who worked on this spot, it’s certainly one of Zoic’s finest hours,” Peristere says, “and we’re incredibly proud to have put it together.”
People look at this spot and say “where did you guys shoot this?” Well, we didn’t shoot it!
Press is thankful to Wieden+Kennedy for trusting Zoic with the production of such an innovative and risk-taking spot. “They had faith in us and patience with us, and that was really great, because it really took that to produce this spot. It was a great experience on both sides. They gave us a lot of creative freedom, to really bring out the best in us. We pushed ourselves really hard to the level of realism and level of detail.
“I mean this kind of work, this animation, the quality level, is something very new for broadcast,” he says. “The extent to which we have gone to produce this spot in a visual style, in CG animation, has really never been done before. It’s a full 100% photo-real CG spot.
“NASCAR is very concerned about representing their world accurately, which was a big challenge for all of us, both from an agency side and a production side. Down to the decals on the cars, and the physics of the accidents, what would really get damaged and what wouldn’t, where would skid marks be made on the track… So people look at this spot and say ‘where did you guys shoot this?’ Well, we didn’t shoot it!
“The music was Metallica – my understanding is they’ve never licensed their music for broadcast commercials before. That was exciting from the get go — definitely a driving force creatively, no pun intended, the kind of energy that brings to the spot.”
Press says the spot has exceeded everyone’s expectations. “We’ve seen that response all the way around, from the agency, from our colleagues in the advertising world, and from ourselves as well – it’s really some of our best work. We’ve really set the bar anew; there’s a new target for us now, which is fantastic.”
More info: ESPN NASCAR “Dominoes” on Zoic Studios; Wieden+Kennedy.
A Long Strange Trip: Jeff Suhy’s Journey from Artists & Repertoire to Twitter & Facebook – Part 1
Posted by Erik Even in I Design Your Eyes on December 29, 2009

In 2009 Jeff Suhy joined Zoic Studios, the visual effects house in Culver City, California. How the former A&R executive found himself working alongside the creators of spaceships for Battlestar Galactica and vicious monsters for Fringe is not only the story of one man’s career, but of the trajectory of the entire entertainment industry over the past three decades.
In the first part of this two part interview, Suhy describes the path of his career and how he came to Zoic as Creative Director – Digital Strategy. In the second part, he discusses the current state of the record industry, and what the catastrophic changes there portent for the entertainment industry as a whole.
So, you started out at the 128th best university in the country [Louisiana State University and Agricultural and Mechanical College].
Is that what it is? [Peals of laughter.] That’s awesome! Out of how many, 150?
I was a track athlete in high school and I was recruited by a number of schools. My only real criterion was that I go to a warm place, and the warmest place that recruited me was LSU. So I went to LSU on a track scholarship.
Where did you grow up?
Chicago area, suburbs of Chicago.
So what was it like going to the South?
It was great. I was born in Tallahassee. So my family is from the South, and we somehow found ourselves in Chicago, because my Dad was transferred a lot via work. … My goal in life was to escape the Midwest; and I really wanted to come west, but I really didn’t have any reasonable scholarship offers out of the West. So I went south into the heart of the beast. And I stayed there for five years.
I ran the college radio station there – I was music director, I should say. I ran it from the industry perspective, as opposed to the actual operation of the station. And I worked at a record store. We bought a bunch of imports, and I started to learn about all these independent and import artists, and started programming that stuff on the radio. We started working with some of the labels to bring the bands through Baton Rouge.
I discovered you could have a record store radio station, and you could promote music and actually turn an artist that no one had ever heard of into something that people actually wanted to see. These bands would come touring through the US, and would have a date in Atlanta, then they’d go to New Orleans, then they’d go to Houston, and maybe they would have a stopover in Baton Rouge for the night. What they’d discover was that the shows in Baton Rouge were bigger than the shows in the major markets… because we were promoting the artists on campus. We ended up creating a successful scene there.
This was the mid-80s, right?
The mid-80s’ yeah – ‘84 to ‘88 would be the time frame. Then I started talking to SST Records, they wanted to bring me out to L.A. I’ll tell you the whole story, even though I know zero of this story should end up on [the blog post.]
So I moved out to L.A. thinking I was gonna work for SST Records, and when I got here they were bankrupt. I had nowhere to work and nowhere to live. I had a couple of hundred bucks in my pocket. And my Dad said “you’re an idiot.” My uncle gave me a place to stay on the floor of his apartment. I was resigned to survive L.A., even though I was having a really hard time.
I took a job at Larry Flynt Publications, as marketing coordinator, because I found it in the newspaper the day I got here and realized I didn’t have a job. [Suhy describes his job censoring pornographic material for ads, with NSFW details.] That was the most glamorous part of that job.
My feeling was, where is the creativity going? I wanted to follow the creativity.
As you might imagine, I was pretty diligent while taking the money from that job — I think $18,500 a year was my salary — taking that money and surviving until I could get myself into the music business, which is why I came out here.
The heavens opened, and I ascended to A&M Records in a miraculous scenario that changed my life. I stayed there ten years, and became vice president of A&R there, during that 10 year period.
And then A&M was acquired by Universal, and they fired everybody including me, even though I was so great. I had about a year-and-a-half on my contract to figure out what I wanted to do with my life, which was fortuitous, because I didn’t have to work. So I spent a lot of time on the Internet. I was really into technology and computers; I had an Apple II Plus when I was in high school in ‘82-‘83. So I was always trying to figure out technology, write programs, and hack things.
Then Napster came along when I was on my hiatus, and I went a week without sleep; I was obsessed. And at the end of that week I realized … I was going in to music & technology.
So I found a couple of guys…, and collectively we started a company that was ultimately called Nine Systems. … We worked with all the entertainment companies, and we built a software platform over a period of seven or eight years; and that was ultimately acquired by Akamai… which is a pretty major tech company, in December 2006. I stayed there for two years, and then escaped the MIT-PhD-math world and came back into the entertainment business, which is where I am now at Zoic. To combine my vast production and content experience with my now vast technology experience, and find ways to help media companies solve the riddle of the digital media era.
Can you talk about what you’re doing right now?
Right now we’re working with ad agencies on everything from banner ads, to other basic web implementations for brands. We’re working with some online brands in the redesign of their web sites and rebranding efforts. We are working with game companies to develop new ways to market their video games to consumers. It’s all little pieces of a big puzzle.
We’re developing original IP right now, which is a product called Media OS. We’re very optimistic that’s something a lot of our clients are going to find very useful to manage and build online media experiences.
But why Zoic?
Good question. As I was thinking about what I wanted to do next, I met [Zoic Studios founders] Loni [Peristere and] Chris [Jones] and [CFO] Tim [McBride], and realized there is a kindred spirit here. There is a support structure here to have that entrepreneurial, “invent-something-new” environment, combined with a stable, thriving creative organization that is very client-focused and very flexible. It isn’t all rigid and CFO-driven — it’s very creative-driven. It has … a start-up kind of vibe, but it’s well-established. Zoic is trying to leverage “visual evolution” into the new age of digital media, and I saw that was a great fit for me, I could help that happen.
Nobody wanted to hear anything about technology; hopefully if you just close your eyes and litigate against it, it will go away, you know?
I spent many years of my life at A&M being very artist- and very creative-driven; creating media, understanding pop culture, and understanding how people respond to media, how to market media; everything that was very media-oriented and entertainment-oriented. And I love that environment, everything being driven from a creative perspective. And I saw it dying in the late 90s, as corporate methodology was coming into a business that was once very naïve and gut-instinct-oriented. If you didn’t have a hit with an artist, it was an artist-development environment, where if everyone in the company believed in the artist, you would keep trying to foster their success, even though they wouldn’t have necessarily have any immediate returns on their first record. I just love that environment.
The record business became sort of a “home-run-or-forget-it,” a hit business. And the economics changed; the value of the art changed; it became much more of a commodity, much more commercialized. It became much less appealing. My feeling was, where is the creativity going? I wanted to follow the creativity. I wanted to use my experience in developing artists…
I had a certain skill set, but I had never had a chance, because of the myopic nature of the record business, to be able to use my technology background and interest in technology, because [the industry] was very phobic. Nobody wanted to hear anything about it; hopefully if you just close your eyes and litigate against it, it will go away, you know? I was doing all kinds of interesting stuff in technology, and it was not a receptive environment to that type of thing.
I also got tired of going to clubs, and I got more interested in sitting in front of my computer. I knew there had to be a future with music online and content online, and I wanted to have a deeper understanding of that, to the root. So I dove from production A&R into software, and let my geek side come out. That was very rewarding, and I enjoy that business and enjoy software and Internet content and digital media, all that stuff. I love what’s happening right now, it’s a very exciting and dynamic time.
I see a lot of companies and people struggling with how to make sense of it, and companies trying to market their artists, or market their media, their brand –I know where these people come from because I was there. It’s tough to wrap your head around these new models. I enjoy combing the new sensibility and contemporary thinking in digital media with an analog state of mind, which used to be and still is in some degree the prevalent way of thinking in the media business.
The best way to do that was to start a company, and develop this software that nobody had and which became really valuable, and was purchased for $160 million by Akamai. I did time at Akamai, which was fascinating, because then I got really deep into the technology. But I also discovered I don’t really want to go there, that’s not really where it’s interesting for me, it’s too much; and I needed to find a place that had an understanding of both [creativity and technology], and that’s why I’m at Zoic. It’s a company that embraces technology but has a traditional understanding of and adoration of creativity. Understanding those things is the future, and I’m in the future now, that’s why I’m here.
Where’s your flying car?
It’s outside. (Laughs.)

















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